I found an article recently which stated that a completely new compound which I have never heard of has the ability to increase the amount of stem cells taken from human blood and bone marrow. Personally I believe that one of the best approaches and paths towards alternative height increasing ideas is to study more on potential compounds that can increase stem cells. This compound called Pleiotrophin is very new to me so I asked the question “Can we potentially inject pleiotrophin in our cartilage or bones to induce chondrogenesis and cartilage formation, and thus increase in height and make us taller?”

The article is entitled “Newly-Identified Growth Factor Promotes Stem Cell Growth, Regeneration” which I found from DukeHealth.org which is some website affiliated with Duke Medicine.

This compound seems to be a recently discovered growth factor that has the function of “stimulating the growth and regeneration of hematopoietic  stem cells in vitro and in vivo.” The new growth factor has potential since one of the biggest challenges with traditional applications of stem cells is the fact that stem cells seem to not proliferate very easily and the quantity of stem cells available is very little. It seems that the stem cell researchers have agreed that the ultimate source for stem cells for people who need transplants (ie. people who have cancer and can not longer use the chemo & radiation approach) would be from umbilical cord blood. The amount of umbilical cords are obviously extremely limited and there has not been any type of growth factor that is good enough in expanding the number of stem cells from the umbilical cord. When the researchers injected lab rats with pleiotrophin they noticed that the amount of stem cells that were coming from or produced by the bone marrow increased 10 fold. So obviously this compound might have some very important applications. However there is some worry that this compound might also cause some cells in the body to turn malignant although so far so results show this to be the case.

So I looked through PubMed and dug up as many useful and relevant studies as I could find to see what is the effect of pleiotrophin on bone tissue and cartilage tissue, if any. These are the studies that I managed to find.

Study #1: Pleiotrophin inhibits chondrocyte proliferation and stimulates proteoglycan synthesis in mature bovine cartilage.

Pleiotrophin turns out to be a type of regulated protein that is found commonly in the cartilage of fetuses but not developed mature cartilage. It binds to heparin. When the proteoglycan from the medium of mature chondrocytes are removed and treated with this compound, the synthesis of proteoglycan increases by 3 X. When the same pleiotrophin is added to the chondrocytes of fetuses, there is no increase in the level of proteoglycan synthesis. It seems that pleiotrophin seems to be able to control by inhibiting the growth of chondrocytes. When FGF and heparin was used, they could not reverse the effects of pleiotrophin. Upregulation of the mRNA for the proteins biglycan and collagen type II are also seen in the treated mature chondrocytes. It was noticed also that glycoaminoglycan concentration was increase multiple fold.

The researchers concluded that “These results establish that PTN inhibits cell proliferation, while stimulating the synthesis of proteoglycans in mature chondrocytes in vitro, suggesting that PTN may act directly or indirectly to regulate growth and proteoglycan synthesis in the developing matrix of fetal cartilage.”
Study #2: Effects of pleiotrophin, a heparin-binding growth factor, on human primary and immortalized chondrocytes.

It seems that this compound is expressed in mature cartilage in the early stages of osteoarthritis. However it seems that if you stimulate chondrocytes with the pleiotrophin for a long enough time you reduce the mRNA of VEGF as well as Nitric Oxide production. The other big part is that the mRNA for MMP-1 & MMP-13 were reduced, while the inhibitors of the MMPs, something called TIMP-1 & TIMP-2 were induced, which suggest that it could be very useful for chondrocyte formation. It was concluded that PTN is a autocrine growth factor in cartilage which has a role during the formation of osteoarthritis when the chondrocytes start to aggregate together.

Study #3: Pleiotrophin, an embryonic differentiation and growth factor, is expressed in osteoarthritis.

This compound is said to be “expressed in mesodermal and neuroectodermal cells during development, but rarely in adult tissues“. The researchers wanted to see whether PTN would show up in the synovial fluid of joints which have osteoarthritis. It seems that this growth factor has roles in cancer development, in chondrocyte differentiation, and during embryonic growth. The most interesting conclusion is that during early stages of OA, the mRNA for this peptide is expressed. While some people might think it is a bas compound, the researchers conclude that “PTN might be involved in cartilage repair in OA, in particular, in earlier stages”

Study #4: Expression of pleiotrophin, an embryonic growth and differentiation factor, in rheumatoid arthritis.

It seems that PTN was strongly up-regulated in synovial tissues from patients with rheumatoid arthritis while the up-regulation for people with osteoarthritis was much less. It also stimulated the proliferation of cultured human synoviocytes and in dermal fibroblasts VEGF. “Proinflammatory cytokines enhance the expression of PTN. Thus, we propose that PTN is a further paracrine angiogenesis and growth factor for synovial cells”

So what did I find and conclude about this compound? Does it have any type of pro-chondrogenic potential or anabolic properties?

As a growth factor, it is definitely anabolic and seems to have some qualities that make it very useful.

It seems to cause inflammation but inflammation is just the body’s immune system trying to attack a foreign object.

This compound is seen in both of the main types of arthritis. The general guess is that it is not expressed to start to damage the cartilage, but it is actually used to heal the cartilage during the early stages of arthritis at least.

It is said that this compound inhibits VEGF, NO, MMP-1 and MMP-13, all of which we have concluded at some point is bad for overall cartilage health.

This compound was shown to increase GAG and Proteoglycan concentrations in mature cartilage chondrocytes and medium/matrix in vivo and in vitro.

I would guess that injection of this compound would NOT cause arthritis since it seems to be to repair cartilage. If you injected it, the matrix of cartilage might generate more GAG and make the cartilage more robust and full.

There is a slight change that this compound can be used to keep cartilage healthier and slow down growth plate cartilage ossification.

While I was looking for sources yesterday which showed how stem cell research can one day be applied towards height increase I found a rather interesting story from the website for the The Daily Mail UK entitled “Botched stem cell facelift leaves woman with bones growing in her EYES “

The story is very much like what would be found in the tabloid stories in the US based Sun or Star Magazines but it did contain a small seed of useful information which we as height increase researchers might be interested in.

It seems that this women who went to a cosmetic surgeon in Beverly Hills noticed that her eyelids seemed to have been making a sort of “clicking” sound. She felt extreme pain when opening her eyelids. After going to another cosmetic surgeon to ask them what is the problem, it was found that she had bone tissue growing from her eye socket area.

From the article in the link…

“Dr Wu, of The Morrow Institute in California, told the magazine that when he first heard the woman’s complaint, he wondered if she was imagining things. 

But after painstaking six-hour surgery, he dug out small chunks of bone from her eyelid and the surrounding tissue.”

The clicking was two bone fragments that were scraping against each other. I would guess that somehow the injected stem cells that was taken from her stomach area turned into pieces of bones.

The researchers believe what happened was that the stem cells taken from the patient’s body reacted with a type of previous cosmetic surgery implantation, something known as dermal filler. The dermal filler has calcium in them. The dermal filler was added at the same time that her stem cells were added. The dermal filler was supposed to help remove wrinkles. The actual calcium is the calcium crystal hydroxyapatite

“During the procedure, cosmetic surgeons used liposuction to remove some fat from the woman’s abdominal area. They then isolated the stem cells.”

It seems that they took some adult adipose derived stem cells from the fat/adipose tissue around their stomach region. The tissue was filtered and purified to leave just the stem cells behind. The stem cells were injected into areas of the face to make the skin area look younger and healthier to produce what should have been new skin tissue and increase cell proliferation.

The 2nd cosmetic surgeon believed that the hydroxyapatite from the dermal filler got in contact with the stem cells which were injected into the face at the same time. Somehow the calcium crystal caused the adipose derived adult stem cells to start to differentiate into the osteogenic lineage.

The thing that is useful to know is the formula below

• Calcium Crystals Hydroxyapatite would cause adult adipose derived stem cells to differentiate into the osteogenic lineage formed bone tissue. 

• Hydroxyapatite + ADSCs = Bone

I recently found from typing in the phrase “stem cell height increase” into Google a forum message entitled “The Science of Increasing Height” from the forum ScienceForums.Net

The post who goes by the name HeightAudodidactic started the post back in August 2010 with this segment which I will post below…

“I’ve done a lot of research on height increase and it’s hard to get information that’s not from laymen or people who are so advanced they’ll just blow you off(cartilage and stem cell researchers).

I can prove that it’s possible to increase height on every level. Long bones can experience appositional growth (there’s been studies done on runners showing increase in periosteal width unless the increase is due to thicker periosteum people being more successful runners) and short, flat, and irregular bones have periosteum covering longitudinal directions such as calcaneus, pelvis, bone of the skull, spine, etc. Therefore it’s possible to grow taller that way.

The epiphyseal cartilage does not completely mineralize. I have not seen microscopic slides of this but not because I have not been looking. However, a texture of whiteness can be seen in the epiphysis that’s around the same texture of the articular cartilage. I have read textbooks that state that a layer of hyaline cartilage remains in the epiphysis as well. Endochondral ossification can occur from a lot of places. See the study called: Reappraisal of mesenchymal chondrosarcoma… If a hyaline cartilage line exists in the epiphysis then growth could be enhanced in that manner either through extraneous stem cell injection or by trabecular microfracture in the epiphysis (which contains red bone marrow which contain stem cells). Also, the fibrous capsule contains cells that have the ability to differentiate into chondrocytes and studies on lateral loading increasing height (see study: lengthening of mouse hindlimbs with joint loading). Lateral loading does cause shear strain on the fibrous capsule And the fibrous capsule leads almost directly into the hyaline cartilage growth plate line.

I was wondering if I could get maven’s opinions on height growth and the topics I mentioned above.”

I wanted to talk about this poster’s points because some of what he/she was saying does make a lot of sense to any height increase researcher who is at a higher level of understanding. They claim that they can prove that height increase can be achieved at every level. They also wanted someone else who understood enough about the science and biology of the human body to sort of argue with them on whether they were right or wrong.

The task I felt was something that I should try to either rebuttal, analyze, discredit, or agree with. So first I wanted to focus on the highlighted parts because those are the point which I felt is the most unique and original, ideas put forth which I have not seen before.

Analysis #1:

The first thing that this person says is very controversial already. They say that they can prove that growth is possible. The claim that runners have wider long bones from looking at the cross section of the tibia/long bones in general might be true since appositional growth is something that does occur. Due to Wolff’s Law, the bones will from constant loading start to remodel the bone mineral density and the bone width as a response to the external stimuli. His comment that the periosteal part (outer part) getting thicker is right, and it just might be that the thickness is due to the periosteal appositional growth (where periosteum get thicker). However we must remember that the way that appositional growth even works is to grow bones on the inner germinal layer that pushes in the inward direction. The bones do get thicker on the outside, but the layer on the inside actually breaks down as calcium minerals get adsorbed into the blood in the cavity or get resorbed into the trabecular bone region. The direction of bone growth is from outside inward. This means that that net thickness of the bone doe snot change.

His next few claims are the ones that I would definitely contend with, and I am sure almost every person who has ever gone through medical school would contend this person’s claim as well. There is no hyaline cartilage layer left. I have actual X-Rays of my own knees from 4 years ago and from careful inspection, I do not see any line. Even the epiphyseal line that is supposed to result when the last bit of cartilage ossify seem to disappear as well over time. This guy talks about how he has not seen slides and that is the mistakes. I have seen the slides of at least two people in my life who were adults, one of them being mine. In both cases the X-Rays show that the long bones like the femur have absolutely NO line or white tint at the region where the growth plates used to be. There is just nothing there.

If this person’s argument in the beginning is challenged and disproved, which I think I have already, then all the arguments that they made after the first claim holds no water in logic. He talks about stem cell injections and trabecular microfracture in the epiphysis, which do make some sense and possibly work if there was a thin layer of cartilage still available, however there is no layer of hyaline cartilage left. It is all gone.

This guy uses the term ‘fibrous capsule’ and I would assume that the term is referring to the inner part of the overall long bone, like a femur. The bone is an enclosed area that encapsulates the marrow and progenitor mesenchyme inside. he talks about the inside of the fibrous capsule having cells that differentiate into chondrocytes and that it true. His mention of LSJL and the fact that it would cause the shear stress that leads to more stem cells that go towards a layer of hyaline cartilage cells and then start differentiating into the chondrocyte lineage, (although I state that he was wrong about this because the assumption is always that there is some chondrocyte-like layer still around where the growth plates used to be, but I challenged and disproved the initial assumption)

So it seems that this person got what they wanted, which is a somewhat educated response to their question.

For me I guess the most useful thing that this guy/girl showed was a study that they specifically named “See the study called: Reappraisal of mesenchymal chondrosarcoma…”. I found it, and wanted to look at the science of this type of cancer to see if it might have something useful we can learn from and take away for future research.

Reappraisal of mesenchymal chondrosarcoma: novel morphologic observations of the hyaline cartilage and endochondral ossification and beta-catenin, Sox9, and osteocalcin immunostaining of 22 cases.

This type of rare cancer is said to be a round cell and hyaline cartilage tumor. Researchers wanted to see what would happen if they put SOX-9, Beta-Catenin, and osteocalcin in people who had this type of cancer. The tumors were examined and some things were found.

It is noticed that in the tumor, there are cartilage cells that are going through a similar process as if they were going through endochondral ossification. Cells positive for osteocalcin were found. There seem to be at least two types of sarcomas defined in this abstract, the mesenchymal chondrosarcoma, and the small cell osteosarcoma which seem to be formed from small round cells and turn to osteo-like tissue.

The sentence that the guy was referring to on why they say that cartilage can be regrown or regenerated is probably the one below…

“Mesenchymal chondrosarcoma demonstrates centrally located hyaline cartilage with a linear progression of chondrocytes from resting to proliferative to hypertrophic, which undergoes endochondral ossification, recapitulating growth plate cartilage and suggesting that this component of mesenchymal chondrosarcoma may be a differentiated (benign or metaplastic) component of a malignant metastasizing tumor…”

This seems to me to mean that if a person developed this type of cancer, there will be hyaline cartilage that is formed in the cavity in the middle of long bone which has all of the same types of chondrocytes as natural growth plates. It says that growth plate cartilage is recapitulated, which implies that the cartilage can be regrown over again from the advent of this cancer.

Implications For Height Increase

I am not sure at this time how to interpret this abstract and whether I am even reading the abstract correctly and understand it like I am supposed to. It seems to show that for people who have this rare condition known as msenchymal chondrosarcoma who are adults, tumors in the center of long bones develop. This tumor are NOT the same as the osteosarcoma developed by small round cells which ultimately form bone tissue. This tumor seems to consist of a linear progression of chondrocytes that look very much like the histology of natural growth plates.

This might mean to show that for people who have this disorder, they have newly formed growth plates but I am very cautious on this claim because I still understand very little of what is really going on with the bone tissue. Even if growth plate structure is noticed in the center of the bone, it does not mean that the growth plate has the strength to expand to a degree to pull the cortical bone apart to lead to renewed longitudinal growth.

So more research needs to be done.

This study I found suggest that instead of the traditional approach in tissue engineering where the scaffold where the stem cells or growth factor is placed is made of not very strong or elastic in terms of material and machanical properties, it might be possible to add a scaffold made out of polyacrylamide and a type of alginate hydrogel which has much better mechanical and material properties.

Update – Link seems to NOT work: New hydrogel may help cartilage regeneration research

Link #2 – New ‘hydrogel’ shows promise for cartilage repair in proof-of-concept trial

This link is nothing new to me but shows that in terms of the development of certain types of biomedical research into actual application, it has taken a long time. For the last decade or so scientists and researchers around the world have been using a stem cell w/ scaffold combination to regrow bones and cartilage. Only now has this news been reported, and from John’s Hopkins University. Like the article states, many defects seen in the articular cartilage in humans have been traditionally fixed using the microfracture surgery, where a small drill is done at the defect area. The marrow inside pours out, forming a layer of fibrocartilage which is just not as good as the hyaline cartilage that was there before. This scaffold idea which is supposed to be a ‘breakthrough” is really not. It might be that researchers at JHU have been trying out thousands of scaffold composition or formulation combinations before they finally found a good enough hydrogel/scaffold/alginate combination for stem cells to really grow. The combination of the idea of stem cell in scaffold along with microfracture surgery is not a big leap in understanding or application. I say that it was bound to happen eventually. The main thing I guess that is important is in showing that if you use the scaffold and microfracture in combination, it is much better than just going with the microfracture sugery route along.

The results are…

After six months, the researchers found that hydrogel recipients had new cartilage filling 86 per cent of their defects, on average, compared with just 64 per cent for patients with microfracture alone.

In addition, patients who received the hydrogel implant reported a greater improvement in their levels of knee pain.

Study #1 – Highly stretchable and tough hydrogels

Summary – Hydrogels has been used in many types of applications but they are not very good due to having certain types of mechanical properties. They are not very elastic and break after they are stretched even slightly. Compared to other materials like cartilage and rubber, the hydrogel does not have a very high fracture energy, making them much more brittle. At the current moment, multiple researchers are looking for ways to make a type of hydrogel that is much stronger and more elastic. There are already some synthetically made hydrogels that have a fracture energy of 100–1,000 J m^(-2) which is up to 2 magnitudes greater than average. 

However, for this study, the researchers show that they have developed a new type of hydrogel that is much more elastic and have much higher fracture energy and stretchability. They report the synthesis of hydrogels from polymers forming ionically and covalently crosslinked network

These new synthetic hydrogels can stretch up to 20 X their length, have fracture energy around 9000 J/m^2 and be composed of 90% water.

They state that the gels’ toughness to the synergy of two mechanisms:

1. crack bridging by the network of covalent crosslinks – Furthermore, the network of covalent crosslinks preserves the memory of the initial state, so that much of the large deformation is removed on unloading.
2. hysteresis by unzipping the network of ionic crosslinks – The unzipped ionic crosslinks cause internal damage, which heals by re-zipping.

Implications For Height Increase Application

I personally think that the best and most likely alternative to the limb lengthening surgery is doing a type of synthetic tissue implant into the bone of a person. If we can create a strong enough type of growth plate in a scaffold formation, then it would definitely be a real alternative. This requires the understanding of stem cell mechanisms and tissue engineering practices. From tissue engineering practice, the use of scaffolds is very big. The use of hydrogels as scaffolds is very common, if not universal. I have been trying to figure out what types of hydrogels would be best to be used in combination with formed cartilage-bone tissue that is growing volumetrically.

As I stated in one of the most important posts on the website, we have been able to create growing cartilage tissue aka functional growth plates however I had stated that I worried that even if we implanted the cartilage into the body, they would not be able to withstand the loading by an adult human. This is why I felt that maybe we need to find a good enough transport system aka scaffold we can put not just stem cells in, but also expanding cartilage tissue. If the hydrogel scaffold is strong enough, the synthetic growth plate with strong & elastic scaffold combination being implanted would probably work, at least with multiple testing done.

From the study “Elastic, Superporous Hydrogel Hybrids of Polyacrylamide and Sodium Alginate“…

These hydrogels are distinguished from other porous hydrogels in terms of their pore sizes and the methods used to generate the pores. If any portion of a superporous hydrogel is exposed to water or aqueous fluids, fluid is immediately absorbed through the open channels to fill the whole space. This capillary-driven absorption mechanism helps dried superporous hydrogels to swell very quickly into a very large size.

These products are very resilient and resistant to compression and elongation. In their water-swollen state, elastic superporous hydrogels can be repeatedly stretched to almost twice their original length without breaking. These novel products may find applications in the development of drug and protein delivery systems, fast-dissolving tablets, occlusion devices for aneurysm treatment, scaffolding, cell culture, tissue engineering, water-absorbent pads, hygiene products (baby diapers, feminine pads) and many others.

It might be possible that we might use the Superporous hydrogels (SPHs) since they are made from hydrophilic polymers with so many pores and they also have the interesting property that the hydrogels EXPAND when they absorb water. It could be that the properties of Superporous hydrogels will be very good with the synthetic growth plate cartilage implanted since both will be expanding.

This is sort of old news in terms of how advanced our research have become. Me and the other height increase researchers have known for quite some time that many types of growth factors will lead to height increase from the height lost from just the normal agin process. The most obvious one is the BMP-7 (aka OP-1) which was shown to increased the intervertebral disk height in White New Zealand Rabbits in.

It seems that a few other source around the internet have also picked on the idea and wanted to report that apparently from just a simple needle injection of the mesenchymal stem cells into an aging adult’s intervertebral disk, their lost height can be restored.

The article below was taken from a website called Healio Orthopedics Today

New research underscores potential for stem cell use in disc regeneration

Culture conditions affect the ability of mesenchymal stem cells to differentiate into intervertebral disc cells.

• Orthopaedics Today Europe [Archives], Issue 5

This is what I have managed to piece together from reading over the comments made by people like Nidzo and TheOtherAdam from the other forums that are still around.

Ever since the internet came to being, there have been forums, message boards, Yahoo! Groups, and pockets around the internet which all had some core idea that the online community was formed around. There were message boards for bodybuilding, health, vegans, sexuality, relationships, etc. For the subject of height increase, it was no exception.

Many websites and forums on height increase have come and gone. The internet technically was started in the early 90s, and back then most people didn’t even know what it was. There was Compuserve, America Online, and Altavista, Ask Jeeves, and things were skyrocketing where Venture Capitalists saw so much potential. This was before the Dot Com bust.

If I was to guess at what was the first website ever created for the purpose of selling something that promised people that it could make them taller, it would have been the website www.growtaller.com whose owner named Ken Kalsi based in Blaine, WA copyrighted the website back in 1999. The domain name was perfect, and when the Google Engine was first started, it’s algorithm was not that intelligent yet. This website would have gotten a lot of visitors, and the guy might have sold some E-Products since they were so new and unique back then. However it looks like the website is inactive now, and the person has moved on past selling E-Products on the internet to make a living for themselves.

I look at something known as the Network 54 which has a very old message board, the Impartial Height Increase Message Board and see that it was started (on page 94 currently) in January 15, 2002. That was almost 13 and a half years ago! The main admin of that board, Joey is still around giving the occasional message to any old members who stop in to drop a few lines to see if there are any updates.

From 1999 to 2013, there have been at least a hundred websites that have been created with the website creator trying to get the highest ranking for the key words “grow taller” and “height increase”. Many people have come up and none of them have really succeeded in achieving the holy grail of height increase.

This includes Sky who created the EasyHeight.com and LimbCenter.org websites and tried to talk about microfractures and how to possibly tensile load the bones to stretch them out. After 6-8 years of effort, he would give up without growing any height, and moved on with his life becoming the pharmacist he said he was and make 6 figures a year.

When I use the WayBack Machine to see the beginnings of what was once the largest forum or discussion board on the internet for people who were interested in growing taller, I am amazed that something like that could last that long. It was started in 2007 and the website was taken down in what I think was the beginning of the 2012 year. 5 years and thousands of members all talking about one idea, trying to find a solution to this problem that has plagued the human species since time began.

So what happened?

The person that the remaining members who are still around blame goes by the name Halcyon who was also called Nico, who closed the forum and supposedly took another member’s formulation for height increase, Alkoclar’s Trial #2, and never talked with anyone else again. This is told by someone named Alpha or Alphagenetik

The other influential person was someone named XCrunner, who was followed by PhenolHCL. There seems to be some notes from this guy someone in the very beginning gave me. I wrote a post about all the information entitled “From GrowTallForum.com, Xcrunner211 Notes On Height Increase For Teenage Males With Open Plates, Warning NSFW”

There was supposed to be someone named Bubabooey (sp?) who was the person who actually created the original M.E.N.S. Routine.

Apparently another member named Fusion started another grow taller forum called HeightCatalyst.com, which I would write a quick post about. However I have checked that website and nothing is being shown.

These days the member of the old Grow Tall Forum have moved to different forums and become scattered out. The forums that are visited now are…

1. Grow Tall Forum 2.0 – http://grow-tall-forum.proboards.com/index.cgi
2. GTF Beta Version – http://growtallerforumbeta.freeforums.net/
3. Grow Taller Forum – http://www.growtallerforum.com/
4. Grow Tall Info – http://growtallinfo.com/forum/
5. Grow Tall Forum Chat – http://growtallforum.chatango.com/

I thought about creating another forum for the members and I did buy the domain name NaturalHeightGrowthForum.com and started to set it up but decided not to go through with the plan because of the amount of drama that had happened in the previous one. If the forum associated with this website did eventually become very large, would I have the time and energy to shoulder this much drama and try to satisfy the demands of thousands of people who will constantly be harassing me to do something for them? I see that many of the forum members still are giving messages to this Alkoclar guy hoping to get a message from him to explain where he is in his formulations. Really?

The truth is that it took at least 4 years for the old Grow Tall Forum to get the type of traction that it had to develop into the large community that it did. By that time, it had become the #1 place for people to gather and talk about their hopes, struggles, and frustrations to become taller. It was shut down rather abruptly, and it seemed that around the end, people had stopped really being helpful, spam was really spreading, and people were sort of leaving and becoming very negative and cynical over this thing.

It is a shame that the place was shut down just as my website was starting because it would have been a nice resource to reference and use. I have been finding that many of my discoveries were already done and found by older members on that forum so it feels like I am often reinventing the wheel. However, I accept that this work has

Many people like Nicki would come and ask me what had happened to the old Grow Tall Forum website even when Natural Height Growth was just 2 weeks old, and I had no answer for her. Other people have come out and asked that I find Hakker/Thomas and get him to talk about what happened, and his side of the story. Some also ask that I be a magician and retrieve information from certain now dead threads and posts. How am I supposed to do that? I did get him on the phone for the 5th Podcast Episode but his lips were shut about the more personal stuff.

So what should the reader take away from all this?

There is no such thing as a free lunch. This thing is going to be damn hard and 99.99% of the time, most people will fail to ever see any height increase. There is a VERY HIGH chance that I will fail in finding anything that will work in the way that most people hope for. There is a very good reason why almost all physicians and surgeons, who are 100X smarter and better educated than most of us think that growing taller is impossible to achieve, especially after we finished our natural growth progress.

If one thinks that they can just be a lurker on those forums and one day by a miracle find the name of the exact compound/chemical/supplement/pill that would solve their height increase desires, then they are probably delusional. Don’t wait for Alkoclar because he will never come back.

I wrote about this fantasy in the beginning in the post “There Is NO Magic Bullet”

You can not wait and expect that other people will do all the work, all the research, and think that you can get the rewards and fruit of their labor without giving something of insane value back in return. Join in and help me and the others in doing the research. We need to have hard science to back up what we are doing. That is what I think will be the only way for us to find something real.