Have Bodybuilders Already Done All Our Research For Us?

This has been a really big issue for me for the longest time and I think I need to address a concern which maybe many of the intermediate height increase researchers might have been thinking about and worrying about for at least the last half decade.

Ever since the creation of the internet and the uploading of so many academic scientific studies to various databases to the internet, bodybuilders have been scouring the academic papers like PubMed.com and Google Scholar to find articles which have already done the tedious laboratory work to help give the bodybuilders new ideas.

When I start searching for the link between bone growth or cartilage regeneration with compounds I have never done research on or have never heard before like CJC-1295 and Isoparelin, what shows up in the Google search results are the bodybuilding forums, like AnabolicMinds.com, The Steroid Forums, SimplyShredded.com, MatterofSize.com, ProfessionalMuscle.com, SteroidWorld.com, and BodyBuilding.com. (Note: Yes, I am aware that the Matter of Size forum is not for bodybuilding but used for men hoping to increase their genitalia)

What shows up are threads written by some guy around the ages of 18-22 who wants to maybe get another growth spurt and the repliers calling him a “manlet” (I have no idea where this stupid term came from) and him being ostracized for such a crazy desire.

However, when there is a more technical response, the knowledge that the posters shows is extremely technical and high level. I am always very surprised and impressed at how much the other men have figured out and read, at least in terms of reading the Abstract on PubMed studies. These guys probably don’t read the entire 20+ page PDF for a study unless it is extremely relevant and reveals new information but most likely glances and reads the Abstract. Well, that is what I do.

I knew that the bodybuilders have always been very knowledgeable on the limits of what science and technology has revealed. They really do keep up to date on the latest information and are at the forefront/leading edge on what is possible.

I have watched a few YouTube videos of Arnold Schwarzeneggeer (spel??) talking about his training and why he did certain weight lifting techniques when he was younger and his explanations reveal that Arnold was very knowledgeable on the physiology of the body. His understanding how the body reacts and changes from weight lifting and taking supplements is really at a high-level. Since he was the person who really brought bodybuilding in the mass media starting in the 70-80s, the bodybuilders after him probably took his lead and also educated themselves extensively on supplements, steroids, human physiology, anatomy, etc.

When I talk to my physical therapist or even the local gym trainer with maybe just a BS/MS from some state school in Kinesiology or Sports Medicine, they are really knowledgeable on the human body and can discuss even the most complicated aspects of human biology.

I was recently at the local supermarket leafing through a Men’s Health Magazine and on one of the pages, there was an excerpt on research being done at some research lab in some university. I took a picture of the article and have put it below. It is about the Aromatase Inhibitors, and how they can prevent the testosterone from converting too quickly into estrogen.

Anastrozole is mentioned and we all know that Hakker/Thomas and his forum reached the same conclusion more than 5 years ago. Since the internet is now at the fingertips of anyone and the PubMed database is free to access, anyone who wanted to do even a slight bit of research to maybe find a way to make themselves taller would have figured out the AI technique.

Every single serious height increase researcher have realized it from the last half decade. The GrowTallForum.com people all knew about it. In the 5th Podcast I did with Hakker, he revealed that he did give pills to forum members to try out. There were results, but the results were only for people with open growth plates. He revealed to me that one of the 4 pills he often gave in a set was Letrozole, the other really well known Aromatase Inhibitor.

The PubMed database is close to being completely mined out of any new or fresh ideas. Tyler already did all that work. In his old website HeightQuest.com he probably has listed maybe 80+ possible chemical compounds which have at least a small chance of increasing height at least a little bit. In terms of what is easily found on the internet from only looking at studies in university databases, we are almost at the final point.

The Brazilian researcher Mateus knew much more than me and he told me about a year ago that he would find a way to regrow the growth plates using all these studies. So far, he never came back or revealed anything. So my guess is, he didn’t succeed. Who can blame him anyway, right?

Interestingly, in the 2nd Podcast Tyler revealed to me that he was also a former bodybuilder who mentioned a story on how the talk about Mariusz Pudzianowski being 6 feet tall was considered small in the World’s Strongest Men competition. These anecdotal stories and similar personal life experiences in some many people who want to grow taller and actively do serious research suggests to me that probably hundreds, if not thousands of bodybuilders have already come before me and mined through all the studies looking for the same thing I am doing and Tyler has been doing.

So have those bodybuilders already done al of our research for us?

I am willing to bet that there has been at least a few crazy guys who were as obsessed with growing taller as me and Tyler and did the same type of research for years maybe. I know that the Joey or Tim guy who runs the AdultHeightIncrease.Blogspot.com website has been researching for a oral supplement which would work on adults for at least 12 years. He has been creating many different types of powder for people to take for years, doing his formulations.

The next questions are going to be the most important

• So if these bodybuilders already did the research, did they find something?
• Did they find the solution or an answer, our “Holy Grail”?

I am guessing they never found the “Holy Grail”. If they did, they would have marketed it or promoted it and used that platform to make themselves a billionaire or even trillionaire. The financial rewards for such a solution would be immense, beyond anything the world would believe.

Plus, if any researcher in any public university lab in the world figured out the answer, they would have probably promoted it or created a company around the idea. The solution is just too attractive and seductive an idea, in my opinion.

There is the possibility that some research in a secret government or military lab or private company (think Google’s Calico project which is trying to cure aging) which did figure it out, but they would not release that type of information out into the general public. Based on a few articles I’ve found, I am quite positive that the Chinese Military Hospitals have figured out a Limb Lengthening Alternative. Refer to the older posts China Military Hospital Research Clinics Have Already Engineered Functional Epiphyseal Growth Plates (Breakthrough) and China Is Most Likely Trying To Engineer Taller Humans Currently As Well As Geniuses (Important!). I remember reading this excerpt from a quite credible source about this South Korean male who went to some Chinese Hospital to get his height increased by a full 12 inches about a year ago but I can’t find the source right now.

However, any government or military lab would NEVER reveal what they have found. (As an example, I know at least 1 MIT mathematician who about 15 years ago did secret contract work with the company BAE Systems who specializes in USA Navy Technology. That person even in 30 years will never be able to reveal the type of work they did without being prosecuted by the American government).

The nice thing about the government and the military keeping what they discover secret is that even if you are the 2nd organization, like a public fully transparent company, who discovers it, you can get the credit for it since the government or military can never reveal that they were the 1st people to figure out a new technological innovation.

So far, I have never been able to find in the Google Patent database many patents claimed by just the USA Government. Since the patent is not on the database, you can file for the right to be the originator of the idea, even though you were not the 1st.

Getting back to the original point before getting sidetracked and into a tangent…

Hundred of bodybuilders before me already did the research. I am almost 100% certain that they did not find the holy grail solution. If they did, they would have promoted it.

So that obvious next question is “What can we do if the bodybuilders already looked at everything like the steroids, supplements, stacking, growth hormones, etc.?”

What is our approach, if the bodybuilders already did maybe 98% of all of our research?

My guess is that the focus with the bodybuilders may have always been on hormones, HGH, steroids, and endocrinology.

My focus is on orthopedics, how the mechanism in the bones and cartilage work. My focus is looking at how the various external stimuli effect the structure of bones and cartilage. That is something which I don’t believe the bodybuilders focus on. While they are focused on what type of chemical they can swallow or inject using a needle, they probably have not been considering other ideas, like using magnetic forces, dynamic electrical signals, or unique ultrasonic technologies and combining all of these biomedical techniques together. That is what I think my research i able to do, being able to really make a big contribution. That is something I don’t think many people have done extensively. That is where I am differentiating myself from the bodybuilders who do research for the same end goal, which is to find a way to increase in height. They have their general approach, based on endocrinology. I have my approach, using tissue engineering, stem cells, orthopedics, and really new biomedical ideas which may not even be clinically available for decades to come.

NEWS: If you have read this far, I have some good news for the regulars and reader. I have recently found something which may be as close to a real solution as I have ever found. It seems to be a game changer.

Calcium Enriched Foods Like Milk Do Seem To Make Young Kids Taller

There has been so much debate over whether high calcium level or calcium enriched foods like milk actually makes kids grow taller. We went back and forth on this issue maybe 3-4 times before, and we had concluded that the most likely answer is that common food items like milk seems to have a positive, but small correlation to increased statural height increases in developing children.

We also previously looked at other common long held beliefs on children growth and lifestyle choices. We looked at the effects of coffee consumption and stunted growth, smoking and stunted growth, and even masturbation and stunted growth. Our conclusions for each are 1. No, 2. Most definitely, 3. No, respectively.

Here is a study I found which seems to finally put the nail in the coffin on the debate on milk and calcium. There are of course always some caveats.

1. The study was performed on girls who did not reach menarche yet.

Calcium-enriched foods and bone mass growth in prepubertal girls: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial.

Notice the difference is around 0.6 cms, which may not seem like a lot but statistical analysis shows that the difference can NOT be just due to random chance but is starting to become statistically significant.

Now, the results seem to go directly against other scientific studies, like the one below

Lactose Intolerance: Lack of Evidence for Short Stature or Vitamin D Deficiency in Prepubertal Children

Of course, both of the studies were done on pre-pubertal kids. That is probably the key factor which explains why there is discrepancies.

Here is something important to take away: Multiple studies show that the human body can only retain about 1200-1500 mg of Calcium per day before any more increase in Ca has no effect.

For at least girls that are 7-9 years old, getting even an extra 800-900 mg of Ca per day is not enough to have the right effect for bone mass increases. When the increased Ca intake reaches the 1100-1200 mg per day mark, then the effect starts to show, but it is somewhat mild.

Note that fact that the greatest differences was in the experimental subgroup of test subjects who were given what is known as spontaneous low-calcium enriched foods. (Personally, I am not sure that that even suggests. Haven’t slept well last night.)

The researchers state two interesting facts.

The spontaneous low-calcium sub-group seemed to get most of their height in the appendicular skeleton aka bones in the torso but NOT in the axial skeletal region (which are the bones in the limbs, like leg and arms). The exact region where the bones grew larger was in the lumbar region, the L2-L4 area.

The sub-group who got the most results also had X-Rays done to show that the middle region of their femur became wider too. At this point, I can’t make any significant connections between the metaphyseal region of the femur increasing in width and the mid-lumbar vertebral bones increasing. There seems to very little difference between the placebo group and the calcium intake group on the proximal end of the femur.

It might also be useful to also look up the study “Double Blind Controlled Calcium Supplementation and Bone Mineral Accretion in Children Accustomed to a Low Calcium Diet“ by Lee and Leung

Important Note: Since the beginning of the research on the website, I have had proposed a theory that our dietary intake and habits can change our height only in the appendicular skeletal region aka torso, but won’t do much for our leg length. The length of our legs/arms seems to be much more determined by our genetics, and not by childhood dietary habits.

This was due to my analysis on the body shape of the swimmer Michael Phelps, who has a disproportionally long torso to leg length and used to consume large amounts of food as a teenager. When we compare the body proportions of a Michael Phelps to a Wilt Chamberlain or Shaquille O’Neal, we notice that for the latter two, all of their height seems to be coming from their legs, specifically femurs. Shaq is genetically pre-disposed to tall stature, since both his mother and grandfather on his mother’s side was huge. Wilt, I don’t know. He was a true genetic freak and a most likely a statistical anomaly, just like Angus MacAskill, coming along once every billion people.

This study seems to kind of validate my theory, in a sort of tangental way.

Your Backpack and Demanding School Curriculum Is Making You Shorter

I remember back when I was in elementary and middle school how the teachers would give us these really thick, heavy textbooks to learn from. It was often neccesary to carry all those books around for convenience reasons so that we don’t become late to a class due to going back to a locker to pick up the books.

The fear in the 4th grade for many people was that they would develop scoliosis and a hunched back from putting so many books in their backpacks. There was always the motherly concern that their son or daughter would have stunted growth from carrying such a heavy backpack in school. Of course those old “wive’s tales” could never be proven to be true.

Well I found evidence that apparently putting such a high load on a growing kids’s back does indeed stunt their growth. As an adult, the same type of load will also make them shorter.

Now I admit that the study showed the children putting a load that was upwards of 50% of their total body weight and the decrease was just 1-2 millimeters, but the effects was that the IVD in the L4-L5 region was consistently squeezed.

That may not be much, but the effects can result in lower back problems later in life which will manifest when the children grow up to their 40s and even as early as 30s. The L4-L5 IVD is the one which is the most commonly ruptured disc when we did research on herniated discs, and bulging discs.

Thank god that the younger kids are moving away from the crazy heavy backpacks and towards tablets and ultra-books which are much easier on the back.

Of course, there is always a net downside. With the increase in kids using more and more computers for learning and less need to use paper books, they may not be developing back problems and become shorter, but their eyes are becoming more and more strained with more problems with mental health due to computer addiction.

Call to action: In the comments section, post anecdotal evidence of people increasing bone length due to tensile strain(stretching).  Example exercises would be inversion(If legs are stretched), hanging, or gripping weights.  Normal stretching would not be sufficient as that would put most of the load on the muscle and not the bone.

Also, please post suggestions on how to do a before and after finger(or toe) experiment that does not require expensive x-rays.  Preferably, a suggestion that only requires easy to take pictures.

Here’s a picture that proves that my right finger is now longer:

You can definately see that the right index finger is longer as it is aligned at the tips and yet the knuckle sticks out higher.  Also, the left thumb seems to be bigger too which I have also been loading with LSJL.

If you haven’t already click on the last post on the finger progress here.

Here’s another image very similar to one of the images on that page:

This image may look similar to the image in the other but the other image was aligned at the knuckles with the right hand being slightly higher so that I can’t be accused of knuckle manipulation.  This picture is aligned by the tip of the finger tips.  You can see in this image that the right handed knuckle is above the left handled knuckle.  Meaning that the right finger(the one I’ve been performing LSJL on) is longer.

Also, I hadn’t measured my wingspan in a while and previous wingspan measurement was 72.5″(I like a lot of people have a longer wingspan than my height).  This was about 5 years ago.

Recently, I measured my wingspan again and it was 189cm or about 74.4″.  I haven’t really been measuring the wingspan as I didn’t have faith in the methodology of LSJL on the arms.  I use the irwin quick grip to clamp the elbows but the bone structure there is clunky.  I can get a good solid clamp on my wrists though.

This has given me faith that LSJL doesn’t need the extreme force that you can generate on your fingers.  However, unlike the legs it is much easier to generate tensile strain on the bones of the arms(although you can generate tensile strain on the legs via inversion).  Although, we’ve pretty much ruled out axial loading as a method to increase height we haven’t quite ruled out tensile loading.  So it’s possible that the increase is due to hanging or holding onto dumbells or barbells which would place a bit of a stretching force on the bone.

An increase in wingspan at adult age due to farmer’s walk or hanging is less likely to be reported than an increase in height and I don’t know for sure how many people did inversion for their legs and to what extremes.  So I can’t say for certain that the gain was due to LSJL and not tensile loading.

And I don’t have before pictures aside from just me standing but this does give me faith that LSJL can generate height at less extreme forces than one can generate on the finger.  Although 1 inch per arm over five years is pretty slow.

This study is important as although the scientists conclude that interstitial growth of bone is not possible(which would be a huge breakthrough for height growth) it provides a key term to describe the micro-growth plates that are the goal to be formed by LSJL(pseudoarthrosis).  Although this term refers to a fracture case by definition it does show that a microgrowth plate can make a bone longer.  The scientists suggest two possibilities as to how a bone can grow longer after spinal fusion:  either institial growth of the bone itself or psuedoarthrosis(microgrowth plates).  The scientists even state that microscopic areas of pseudoarthrosis may be be responsible for the lengthening in the conclusion.

Thus this study provides additional evidence that microgrowth plates can lengthen bone(as any amount of cartilage is more capable of interstitial growth(which increases bone length) unlike bone) and gives a new term to search for as a key to growing taller: pseudoarthrosis.  The key is to find instances of psuedoarthrosis in adults that are spontaneous and not a result of surgery.  If you want to help find a way to grow taller, helping find such studies would be a great boon.

Bone Growth after Spine Fusion A Clinical Survey

Full study is at the link below.  It should be noted that this study is quite old but it’s still important today because now the focus is more on the gene expression rather than the mechanics as in the old days.  And it’s easier for us to manipulate the mechanics rather than the gene expression.

bone growth after spinal fusion

“When a spine fusion is unquestionably solid and fairly massive, there is little increase in length of the fused area. The small increase that most of the cases we studied showed could be accounted for by magnification and other technical factors, but it is impossible to rule out a small amount of growth. The slight decrease in the kyphos in two of our cases suggests some bending of the fusion mass. No definite pseudarthroses could be seen on the roentgenograms but the presence of one or more pseudarthroses could not be ruled out. Microscopic and transient pseudarthroses are considered by us to be the most likely mechanism by which any real increase in length or any true change in angulation occurs. In our experimental studies, microscopic losses of bone continuity in transepiphyseal bone grafts in the distal femora of young rabbits were demonstrated. These defects were of such a nature that they could not be demonstrated by standard clinical or roentgenographic methods.

In our opinion, the end-result study of Hallock and his associates is valuable in that it indicates, from the practical, clinical point of view, what will happen to the average patient after spine fusion in early childhood. However, their data and the observations of the other authors previously mentioned convey an inaccurate and perhaps unintentional impression that considerable growth occurs in a solidly fused spine segment. It would be unfortunate, we believe, to allow this impression to persist since surgeons not familiar with all that is known about growth of the spine after spine fusion might be falsely encouraged on the basis of published data to perform longer and more massive spine fusions in young children. Our study suggests that a long, massive, and completely solid fusion in early childhood will impair spine growth to a significant degree.

We believe that growth of a fused segment of the spine can occur only at the ends of the segment or at the site of gross or microscopic defects in the fusion plate. Pseudarthroses in spine fusions in children are much more frequent, in our opinion, than is generally suspected because of the tension forces exerted by the growing epiphyseal cartilages, as well as the usual stresses caused by motion. These pseudarthroses or stress fractures may be microscopic or grossly visible; they may occur spontaneously at any time and heal spontaneously. The more massive the fusion plate, the less chance there will be that it will break down under the stress of growth and motion. Finally, we believe that the laws that govern bone growth in general apply to the bone of spine fusions. There is in our opinion no such thing as interstitial growth of bone.”

“all growth in [bone] length of the diaphyses of long boneses takes place at the epiphyseal cartilages, whereas growth of bones its other dimensions occurs through hyaline-cartilage proliferation as in the epiphysis or  through fibrous-tissue proliferation-as in the periosteum and flat bones.”

Scientists reported the apparent growth of fused spinal bones.  If this were to happen in the solidly fused spine two conclusions could be made: either the fusion plate broken down or there was interstitial growth of bone in the fusion plate.

Scientists also observed that  when interbody fusion was performed on the spine.  The bony bridge that was formed elongated in response to vertebral growth.  However, another study found that the fused area remained firm and did not increase in length in response to overall vertebral lengthening.

Another study with spinal fusion found that psuedoarthrosis occured at any interspace[Small hole surronded by bone].  An example of the interspace is perhaps the trabeculae.  Pseudoarthrosis occurs at fracture areas.  The scientists theorized that in their study the longitudinal bone growth was due to these areas of pseudoarhtrosis.

The study mentions Sincher’s law which states that: “increase of pressure or tension beyond the limits of tolerance leads to destruction of bone by resorption.”<-Perhaps LSJL needs to cause this destruction of bone in order to allow for microgrowth plates or psuedoarthrosis and that’s why so far LSJL on the finger has been more successful due to greater ability to increase pressure.