In this podcast episode I will be speaking alone looking at what is being sold on the AdultHeightIncrease.Blogspot.com blog and seeing how valid the guy is in the research he has been doing. Like so many people in this community including many former and current height increase researchers, he has declined the chance to come on the podcast and have his voice heard.

Since this area of scientific research is so lucrative, it is very hard to find people who would be willing to come on the website to talk about their research and have their voices broadcasted throughout the entire internet space. I understand that we all really care about our privacy and value security and anonymity when we are looking at this issue. Most people reject the opportunity to come on and speak.

He did answer back with all those answers to my questions.

Here is what I can say about the main contributor to the Adult Height Increase blog, Tim.

• He has been around a very long time, since at least 2007 when he was a contributor to old message boards like the Impartial Height Increase Message Board
• He has been doing some serious research.
• He has a few formulas he has made to try to induce height increase even for physically mature adults.
• No formula that he has developed so far has been consistently successful
• He has been an active member in many other grow taller forums.

1st, I have to address the fact that I have in a previous post already written about the product sold on the Adult Height Increase blog which is called MONSTER BS FORMULA entitled “Review On MONSTER BS FORMULA Sold By Adult Height Increase Blog”. In that post I was very hesitant to believe that the two part formulation would work.

• The first part actually does make some sense. To get the bones to theoretically stretch out, you would have to demineralize or remove calcium by stimulating and adding more parathyroid hormone using the PTC-H formula. The thing about the calcitonin I don’t know about since I never did any research on calcitonin.

• The idea of using a hyperbaric chamber to increase the possible O2 diffusion into the human body for increased cell proliferation would not do any good

These are the emails we have exchanged back and forth…

Hey Tim,

This is Michael from Natural Height Growth. I think you might be on to something and I wanted to pick your brains a little. My research is on going but it seems that you have been at this for at least 3 more years than me. I believe that you are much more knowledgeable on what actually works than me. I want to ask you about your research. would you be interested in explaining your results to the other height increase seekers to listen to my podcast? I don’t view ourselves as competitors since we are both working on the same eventual goal. This thing is too big and complicated for any one person to do. If you are not interested, I understand. Just hoping to hear from you. – Michael

Hello Micheal

I saw your blog and it has quite a lot of information of all presently
available options.  I would be willing to answer your questions here.
I would also be willing to offer you a sample of my formulas for you
to try personally. – Thanks

That is fine.

These are the questions.

1. Tell me about yourself, age, height, ethnicity, background, education
2. How long have you been doing the research?
3. What got you interested in this endeavor?
4. Have you found a working, consistent formula?
5. If not, what do you think are the most feasible mixtures or formulations you have created.
6. What is the active ingredient in PTH-C formula
7. The study you link to does not show any link between increased O2  and chondrogenesis. How does this step make people taller?
8. What is the link between NO stimulation and adult height increase?
9. How does the PTH-C manage to focus on the localized bone area instead of just affecting the entire skeletal structure?

Hello Micheal.

Here are your answers.

Age 37, 185 cm, ethnicity do not want to reveal, knowledge in homeopathy as a special interest due to working with a 60-year-of-experience homeopath doctor as a salesman and co-manufacturer of specialized compounds.

Since 1993.  Began blog in 2005 for international participation. 20 years.

Personal goal to grow taller using a cheaper and easily accessible method.  Never wanted to go for LL surgery.

No. Some brilliant results but mostly failures.  Less than 5% success rate thus far and most trials have indeed failed.

Key to grow taller is to convert bones to a growing state more than anything else, something like LL does creating a cartilaginous space in the hard bones to grow and then stretch it.

Chemically it is plain water but it is powered by substance derived photons such as plants, minerals, salts, etc, which can manipulate the biophotons which is the light emitted by genes when biochemical processes takes place in the nucleus of the cells.  This tampers biophotons to tweak biochemical reactions to attain an effect.

Yes study does not directly show that but I don’t exclusively rely on studies alone but develop and test out new ideas hitherto untested to achieve a breakthrough.  Such brute force methods have produced breakthroughs in the past when a candidate aged 23 grew an inch in just 7 days by overdosing Monster formula. http://www.network54.com/Forum/611972/message/1250401239/Update+8-16+%28Correction%29

Note that hyperbaric therapy is done for just short durations of 60-90 minute sessions only and these studies are based on those but what if your body is under hyper-oxygenation effect for 24 hours in a broken bone state, won’t the body be forced to stimulate cartilage cells to repair, remember body is dynamic. See this study of a short duration hyperbaric therapy on the longitudinal bones of rabbits –  Please read attached PDF.

PTH-C is a problem area, making formula too strong leads to weakening of the skeleton and REDUCTION of height. I tested this by taking standalone.  So it has to be made just right to enable gentle calcium and mineral depletion and making Muscle builder formula very strong to get a powerful and safe effect.   So after many tweaks I arrived at a safer PTH-C formula.  First created was a plain PTH formula later added a calcitonin suppressant. So the idea is making bones “soft”and creating growth using the Muscle builder formula.

Please read more about the Muscle builder formula below – Bone marrow contains mesenchymal stem cells that can build cartilage cells which grow into bones.  One way to stimulate them is to load the blood with very high oxygen content and force feed body tissues with that under  a pressurized oxygen chamber.  This has shown to increase of stem cells by 800% in 40-60 hours of treatment seen in the hyperbaric oxygen treatment which is done for short duration only due to risk of hyperoxemia.

The muscle builder formula accomplishes the same by the oral dose without the use of pressure chambers by alternative mechanism but similar and even more powerful effects.

When I built this formula called Muscle builder, the focus was to create something that increases lung inspiration capacity to enable deeper breaths even when sitting, sleeping, and of course when doing even some mild physical activity, lungs would expand and contract like a motor, rapidfire speed.  Like if you pour very cold water suddenly, you’d feel lungs expanding and contracting like a dynamo. I didn’t even knew about hyperbaric therapy  BUT what I noted and those who have used it said 1. It improved their vision 2.  Better skin and younger looking face.  3. Muscle tone improvement and no fatigue on repeated movements.  4. Better urinary flow down to the last drop with high pressure like some piston inside. 5. Heart beating stronger. 6. Mind feeling enlightened.

Muscle growth formula works by sucking in oxygen by increasing lung expansion and contractions and efficient blood flow to tissues immediately as soon as they are absorbed and rapid speed circulation leading to fatigue free state 24/7 and a very healthy feeling.  All this is due to stem cell stimulation induced by efficient tweaking of the oxygen management.  Everyone breaths the same air, but you will use oxygen more than others.

Muscle builder is the only formula that always worked 100% in every person who ever used it. No other formula is as consistent and stable and always works only on a limited number of people. I have supplied Muscle builder to ladies as old as 73, 54, 59, and men aged 55 and up and all report same effect without fail.

Safety – In hyperbaric oxygen therapy, patients are placed in a hyperbaric chamber with higher air pressure than atmosphere for up to 90 minutes in a session to enable hyperoxygenation to the tissues breathing of pure oxygen.

Here in the Muscle builder we aren’t placing our bodies in any chamber but attaining same effect by encouraging higher lung inspiration capacity and rapidfire transfer of oxygen to all tissues 24 hours a day from a single ORAL dose.

So risk of pressurized chamber does not arise in this !

See risks of HBOT
http://archive.rubicon-foundation.org/xmlui/handle/123456789/2316

See this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RtW4iBtFqo about what Muscle builder can do with same effect as hyperbaric oxygen therapy. He also talks about bone forming cells stimulated by the therapy.

He also referenced an article from 1967 entitled “EFFECT OF HYPERBARIC OXYGENATION ON LONGITUDINAL GROWTH OF BONES” by BJORN MAURITZ PERSSO.

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Something that I have wondered ever since I wrote the post about how I thought Parathyroid Hormone related Protein aka PTHrP was the thing that we were looking for, I have wondered how something like it should be administered.

The original post was “The Connection Between Regenerating Deer Antlers and The PTHrP, PTH And IHH pathway for Cartilage Regulation, PTHrP Seems To Be The Answer (Big Breakthrough!)”

Looking over the multiple studies on how much effect mechanical loading is towards actual bone remodeling and effects, I would say that anything that would be just a continuous steady state of injected compound would not work. Even increasing growth factor injection at a linear constant rate would not work. I am proposing that the way to make any technique or method work is to apply the stimuli in a non-constant, intermittent way where for only a short period of time each day or week do we try out a stimuli. This behavior of stimuli is going to work the best.

Two previous post link the idea of doing something intermittently as well.

• Grow Bone And Grow Taller Using Intermittent Mechanical Loading
• Increase Height And Grow Taller Through Intermittent Fasting

The thing about the human body, like most biological bodies which have homeostasis, is that it is always pushing the body to a state of equilibrium. The elements in the body, which include the tissues, will develop often a resistance to any type of increased concentration, density, or flow of any type of foreign or outside stimuli.

A good example of this is what the neurotransmitter receptors in the axons of the neuron do when a person starts to take either a stimulant or relaxant and the receptor numbers eventually change in quantity and the overall neuron losses its sensitivity to the “drug”.

A 2nd example is how bodybuilders are trying to cycle through any type of supplement, peptide, or steroid use. The body just looses the sensitivity so the person can either try to increase the dosage risking side effects, or they drop the dosage waiting for the body to recover again, and go back to a state where it can be easily effected by ingested supplements again.

If we just applied 100 Nextons of force on a bone surface to make it grow harders, stronger, and thicken, at some point the bone will remodel itself to be able to withstand the force. If the bone can’t withstand the bone loading, it will just fracture and break apart. However, if the concentration or amount is not too high, the bones will eventually get harder and stronger.

So we can’t just increase bone loads or use growth factors in a continuous way. We have to choose very carefully a certain amount to be used. The therapy will consist of a rather high dose of PTHrP injected with a needle into the bone area close to the ends of our long bones.

The exact formation is to do 4 injects around the top area (epiphysis) of out lower leg, right below the knee protrusion region. The dosage I would say is around 100 micrograms/mL for each needle. Since there is 4 needles, each going into all 4 directions into the leg, there will be a total of 400 migrograms/mL beign injected. The rate of use will be 2 times a week.

The exact location I am proposing is the cortical bone layer just beneath the periosteum. It has to be subcutaneously, but also subperiosteal. The PTHrP has the ability to turn the cambium layer of progenitor bone cells possibly into chondrocytes and thus cartilage tissue. The result is that the hard material of the cortical bone might decrease leaving the area flexible enough to be pushed apart by the newly formed cartilage tissue.

The only problem with this idea is that we still would need a step or injected compound that can cause the hard cortical bone to weaken, de-ossify, decalcify for anything to work.

I guess the main thing to take away from this post is that any type of therapy used should be done in an intermittent fashion.

Months ago Tyler gave me a link to a patent which was proposed by Yokota for the loading device that was done to the lab mice’s synovial joints. When I saw how the researchers were actually loading the joints I realized that it is possible to simplify the loading machine to something similar. The patent name and link is below…

APPARATUS AND METHOD FOR ENHANCING BONE FORMATION (WO2005027735)

Let me say that patents are created to protect legal entities from other people stealing their ideas and profiting from them. If I was to build this device, then I would give this to Tyler or another LSJL experimenter for personal use. I don’t plan to sell the device.

This post is to state that I wanted to do a redesign of the old idea, which is to take two linear actuators, align them up, and the two ends of the actuators would push inward loading the synovial joints. Refer to the old picture I drew using Google Sketch Up.

Now look at the design that Yokota (with Tanaka) is proposing. It is much simpler in design because instead of two actuators or machines that is pushing down and up in a sinusoidal manner, there is actually just one lever that is moving up and down in a certain frequency.

The idea is that we just use one movable piece loading on one side, and hold the other side of the synovial joint in place using a firm board or surface so that the joint can’t move as a result of being loaded.

The first picture is showing that we want to be loading the bones in the lateral direction from the axis direction of the long bones. The side of the epiphysis is being pushed down.

I am looking at the lever that is pushing down on the joint and I am questioning whether it is even necessary to making the loading mechanical. Would it just be simpler if we did it using human arm strength, pushing down on the metal piece that is doing the loading?

I used to design 3-D Objects using the Mechanical Engineering softwares Solidworks, 3DS MAX, and Autocad but it is still rather difficult for me to figure out what exactly the design should look like in a 3-D way.

The writing on the patent is extremely hard for me to read. It seems to say that the bottom part is a piezo-actuator, which makes sense. The bones themselves have piezoelectric properties.

When the level is pressed down on the bone, I am guessing that the circuit is fully closed, leading to a small amount of current being run through the device, giving a slight electrical signal to the bone/epiphysis of the loaded area. This might be what Yokota means when he is saying that the bones as piezo-electric material will react in some way to remodel themselves form the electrical signal.

However using the Google SketchUp, since it is free and I don’t have a Solidworks or AutoCad license anymore, I have only been able to so far in the simplified design. I can not go any farther since I don’t exactly know what I am seeing or reading. The 3-D design I have posted below is all that I can do. It will eventually save money at least for the initial cost of the building of say the first prototype. 

A little well known idea that I did not know about is from a grade school science project may give a proposed idea on how to reverse the bone ossification process to make the bones much more flexible and elastic for tensile loading leading to plastic deformation.

It involves the idea that if you take normal dried up bone (like from a cadaver) and put it into a vinegar solution the bones will actually eventually become like a hard rubber material.

• Source #1:Science Bob – Bend a Bone with Vinegar
• Source #2:Wiki Answers – Why does vinegar affect bone density?
• Source #3:EHow – Why Does Vinegar Soften Bones?
• Source #4:Yahoo! Answers – What happens if you soak bone in vinegar?

Implications For Height Increase:

I think at this point in the research it is critical that we figure out some way to make the bones easier to bend and stretch. The idea of soaking bones in acid to de-calcify them is a very interesting proposal for bone lengthening later.

From source #2, it seems that vinegar like most acids can dissolve the calcium crystals from insoluble into soluble. The chemical reaction that is shown is….

CaCO₃ + 2CH₃COO -> Ca(CH₃COO)₂ + H₂O +CO₂

From Source #2: Once paired with vinegar, the calcium takes on the form of calcium acetate, which is soluble, so the calcium is absorbed and able to be utilized by bone.

A second, lesser known reason, is that the main acid in vinegar, acetic acid, lowers the amount of phosphorus the body can absorb. Phosphorus is a strong acid from meats and beans and grains unlike the weak acid of vinegar. Normally a certain amount of calcium will cleave to a certain amount of phosphorus and they will cancel each other out. When vinegar gets involved, less calcium is needed to cancel out a greater proportion of phosphorus and therefore less phosphorus is absorbed. If too much phosphorus came through, calcium would have been taken from bone to neutralize it….This is one of the reasons a children’s bones grow so rapidly. Children have a high ratio of good bacteria in their colon that synthesize acetic, as well as lactic, and other acids from the fiber or lactose that is eaten. As we grow older we don’t eat the right foods to support these guys. On a side note, that is one of the reasons Honey is good for bones as well. It specifically feeds these guys and keeps them cranking out acetic acid….Finally, while an acid, vinegar is like fruit in that the end product is not an acid at all. Once all of these reactions take place, the end products as you can see above are water and CO2. We breath out the CO2 into the air and end up with a net positive of base.

Analysis: I don’t remember my organic chemistry studies that well but I will take a crack at the logic behind the answer given by this guy.

First, he made a mistake on the 2nd compound, which is supposed to be ascetic acid. All acids have a O-O-H ending, so the right answer to balance both sides of the chemical reaction accounting for each element is to change the CH3OO into CH3OOH.

2nd, the guy is saying that the ascetic acid will lower the amount of phosphorous the body will absorb. However we know that the calcium is combining with the phosphorous in the human’s body to make the calcium phosphate minerals. I also assume that when the speaker is talking about the body, they are talking about the blood stream. If the ascetic acid is indeed somehow lowering the amount of phosphate the body is absorbing, then there would be more phosphorous being pushed out of the blood stream, and ending up in the bone matrix. If this is happening, then I would say that the bones would actually be getting stronger. More phosphorous, meaning more calcium phosphates, which are the hydroxyapatite, means the bones should get stronger and tougher, not the other way around.

He is right that the calcium cleaves to a phosphorous, but they don’t actually cancel each other out. The calcium somehow binds to the phosphorous forming a stable hard mineral. If that is what the guys means by  “canceling each other out” then okay, that makes some sense.

The thing is that we do need phosphorous to make the bones hard. Maybe what the guy means is that the ascetic acid is keeping the phosphorous from binding to the calcium. If that is what the guy means, then that would make sense. the phosphorous can’t join together with the calcium to make the hard minerals, making the bones softer. However, all of this is assuming that when he is talking about phosphorous absorption, he is not referring to the blood which is what I assumed in the beginning, but actually by the calcium element.

From source #3: The acetic acid of the vinegar will dissolve the calcium carbonate in the bones.

Analysis: It is interesting that again the people who are answering the question about how vinegar can rubberize bones keep saying that it is calcium carbonate that is reacting with the ascetic acid. However I am guess that it is the calcium phosphates that are the real reagent here. Let’s remember what we learned about the real calcium minerals that make the bones hard. It is the hydroxyapatites, calcium phosphates. Source 3 is good in showing that there is actually two main components that give the bones their hardness…

1. the collagenous material that gives the bones high tensile strength and make them flexible.

2. the calcium based mineral crystals which are inorganic, non living that is embedded all throughout the bone extracellular matrix. The calcium minerals gives the bones an extremely high compressive strength.

• So calcium carbonate is… Ca₅(PO₄)₃(OH
• and calcium phosphate is… Ca₅(PO₄)₃(OH 

So my real question is what is the ascetic acid of the vinegar really reacting to? and also, what is really giving the bones their hardness and strength?

The people who are giving answers on how vinegar can de-ossify say that the CH3OOH is reacting with calcium carbonate, but I am guessing that the real calcium mineral the acid is reacting with is calcium phosphate. The calcium mineral is obviously being broken down/dissolved by the acid in some way.

In the end, we could just say that from elementary grade school science projects, the bones do indeed lose their hardness and strength becoming almost elastic. This is what is important.

We have a very cheap, read at hand way to possibly de-ossify the bones to a level of elasticity where stretching the bones becomes a possibility.

So is there something that I can propose right now like a easy to make device we can put around our leg bone to make them softer for stretching? I don’t have anything right now but it should not be that hard to create a device we can either stick, glue, or embed to the surface of a bone to make it weaker. The fact is that the upper/proximal epiphysis of our tibia is right by the skin.

A band with vinegar inside which we can insert through the skin to the bones will be easy thing to invent.

Something that I have noticed in my own life in meeting different types of people their own unique genetic predisposition and hereditary traits is that having certain types of genetic tendencies leading to allegies or intolerance towards some foods may have some type of correlation to stunted growth.

I would like to propose the theory in this post that people who have the food allergy of being lactose intolerant have at some level stunted growth and end up shorter than a person who can ingest lactose rather easily.

For me personally, I have a small level of lactose intolerance. I know that when I was younger I had digestive problems whenever I consumed large amounts of milk or milk derivative products. I would learn later that two people who were around my age being females seemed to have been allergic to milk and lactose as well from their fathers’ genetic makeup. They ended up being either average in height or shorter than average.

So the common layperson can make the easy correlation with

• Being Lactose Intolerant
• The main type of sugar found in milk of cows is lactose
• Milk has besides the lactose sugar, Calcium and Vitamin D
• If a child can not ingest milk because the sugar inside cow milk causes them problems, they would avoid milk and chess – This means that they probably are not getting as much Calcium and Vitamin D into their diet as another person who is not suffeirng lactose intolerance would.

In a very old post “The Real Correlation Between Milk, Calcium, Bone Growth, And Height” I did state that the correlation between increased milk consumption and increased growth and final height is actually very weak. However that does not mean that they are not completely uncorrelated. I would write in a recent post “Drinking Milk And Getting Calcium Will Only Increase Growth Rate And Height Substantially In Pre-Pubescent Girls, A Personal Theory” a personal theory that for girls who have not reached puberty yet, the affect from increased consumption would have result in a reasonable increase in their final height.

The truth is that most studies done on children who are already in puberty and the teenage years show that increased calcium intake from taking supplements lead to only increased bone mineral density, but no increased bone longitudinal growth. However there are a couple of studies from the early 20th century when most nations still had a large percentage of their people not getting the necessary amount of nutrient that drinking milk did help increase the growth rate, at least for very young kids.

If the case is that milk can help very young kids grow taller, then the reverse logic of having an inability to ingest milk would result in decreased growth rates when the child is still very young leading to an eventual shorter final height.

For people with lactose intolerance, the consumption of milk with the sugar lactose would lead to stomach pains, stomach muscle cramps, development of gases, and flatulence. Since the associated pain and flatulence would result, the kid suffering from lactose intolerance would try to avoid drinking milk, eating cheese, or trying out dairy ice cream throughout their development. The decrease in Vitamin D consumption means that the ossification process in the growth plates will not be as fast in building the bones as when there is milk consumption leading to increased Vitamin D levels in the blood.