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Passive diffusion and it’s potential role in growin taller

If articular cartilage endochondral ossification(and) is to be a viable with which to grow taller then the existing articular cartilage must grow and replenish while the rest ossifies. Vertebral and joint cartilage contributes to height so if there was a way to get them to grow then we could become taller. Since cartilage has poor blood supply it heals and grows by passive diffusion. So our goal would be to maximize passive diffusion.

Passive diffusion is where a molecule from high concentration to low to concentration.

The factors affecting diffusion are :

Temperature: Higher temperatures increase molecular energy, leading to faster movement and enhanced diffusion.

Concentration Gradient: The steeper the gradient (difference in concentration), the faster the diffusion.

Molecular Mass: Smaller molecules diffuse more rapidly than larger ones.

Medium: Different substances diffuse at varying rates through different media.”

So what we can influence is temperature and concentration gradient. Temperature is obvious but for concentration gradient we can increase supplementation and increase fluid flow as the more fluid is flowing the higher concentration is going to be and therefore the more compounds are going to be diffusing into the articular cartilage.

This coincides with anecdotal evidence that movement is vital for healthy cartilage and with the observation that sufficient force in chiropractic treatment is required to induce joint cavitation.

The Effect of Antibody Size and Mechanical Loading on Solute Diffusion Through the Articular Surface of Cartilage

” Therefore, the goal of this study is to investigate how the size of antibody (Ab) variants, as well as application of cyclic mechanical loading{the cyclic nature of the loading as the changing in load rate is important as well as overall load}, affects solute transport within healthy cartilage tissue. Penetration of fluorescently tagged solutes was quantified using confocal microscopy. For all the solutes tested, fluorescence curves were obtained through the articular surface. On average, diffusivities for the solutes of sizes 200 kDa, 150 kDa, 50 kDa, and 25 kDa were 3.3, 3.4, 5.1, and 6.0 μm2/s from 0 to 100 μm from the articular surface. Diffusivities went up to a maximum of 16.5, 18.5, 20.5, and 23.4 μm2/s for the 200 kDa, 150 kDa, 50 kDa, and 25 kDa molecules, respectively, from 225 to 325 μm from the surface. Overall, the effect of loading was very significant, with maximal transport enhancement for each solute ranging from 2.2 to 3.4-fold near 275 μm{so mechanical loading has a lot of potential to benefit passive diffusion and therefore cartilage growth}. Ultimately, solutes of this size do not diffuse uniformly nor are convected uniformly, through the depth of the cartilage tissue. This research potentially holds great clinical significance to discover ways of further optimizing transport into cartilage and leads to effective antibody-based treatments for OA.”

Rodeo may be another exercise that increases longitudinal bone growth

Bareback riding is horseback riding without a saddle.

As seen in the picture below bareback rodeo riding involves asymmetrical loading on one arm and it involves torsional+vibrational loading at the arm.

There is anecdotal and some study evidence that exercises that involve torsional+vibration loading such as tennis and arm wrestling can increase longitudinal bone growth even past epipihyseal fusion. Since rodeo has vibration + torsional loads the question is can it increase longitudinal bone growth as well? In short: the study below suggests that rodeo riding can increase bone size but longitudinal bone length was not measured. The difference in bone size is very large though so it looks to be an effective stimulus. I did send an email to the author of the study though.

Bony hypertrophy of the forearm in bareback rodeo athletes

“Activities that require increased load bearing are known to cause bony hypertrophy. This phenomenon has been documented in the dominant arm of athletes in sports requiring significant utilization of a single limb. The literature addressing this effect in rodeo athletes, however, is minimal. Studies evaluating rodeo athletes are primarily focused on acute injury management rather than chronic symptoms resulting from changes in bone and soft tissue. We designed a study to evaluate bony hypertrophy in athletes without acute injury.

Rodeo bareback riders presented with frequent pain in their grip arm, no radiographic evidence of injury, and clinical signs of peripheral nerve compression. Anteroposterior and lateral X-rays taken for initial evaluation in 17 bareback rodeo athletes were retrospectively reviewed. The diameter of bilateral ulnas was measured at its longitudinal midpoint. Ratio of Ulnar Diameters (grip arm/free arm) and Percentage Diameter Difference were calculated. An independent samples t-test was used to assess differences in diameters of grip and non-grip arms.

The mean ulnar diameter was 18.4 ± 3.5 in the grip arm and 16.6 ± 3.5 in the non-grip arm {this is a pretty big difference}. The mean ratio of grip to free arm ulnar diameter was 1.42 ± 0.21 (range = 1.05–1.92). The mean diameter percent difference measured 42.3% (range = 4.7%–92.0%), and the grip arm was observed to have a greater ulnar diameter compared to the non-grip arm.

There are significant anatomic differences in the grip arm of bareback rodeo athletes compared to the contralateral arm. In cases of persistent pain in the grip arm and no evidence of acute injury, these differences may be relevant to pain symptoms and should be considered as part of the assessment and treatment algorithm.”

This paper cites the paper “Chronic Hypertrophy of the Ulna in the
Professional Rodeo Cowboy”. Here is an image of that paper

The left ulna looks much wider at the epiphysis. Possibly longer.

Going back to the paper. Here’s an x-ray from the paper not the difference in bone width

Here’s an image from the paper comparing the two arms:
Left arm looks longer but we’d have to additional studies to see.

“In this study, we show that bony hypertrophy in the ulna of the grip arm of bareback rodeo riders was 42.3% greater on average when compared to the non-grip arm, which is nearly a 10-fold greater difference (between right and left) in forearm bone thickness than a previous study on tennis athletes.”<-so rodeo training may be more effective than tennis. We’d have to think about this when designing bone lengthening exercise protocols.

“This study is limited by the inclusion of only symptomatic patients. We were unable to account for previous injuries that may have influenced the bone composition of either arm. Furthermore, we are unaware if the athletes participated in other activities requiring increased stress to the grip arm. This study did not include athletes from other sports (e.g. tennis, baseball, or hockey) for direct comparison of the degree of hypertrophy seen in rodeo versus other sports.”<-So there’s selection bias and they can’t control for whether only rodeo was responsible for the effects. The athletes could have done other training that contributed.

Rodeo is an expensive sport so it’s not really something that we can self-test effectively and it’s hard to control the stimulus as it’s really based on what the bull is doing. But bull riding can provide additional evidence that torsional/vibrational loading can increase longitudinal bone growth. In this study, the grip arm does look longer so that is anecdotal evidence but that could be an illusion. This is definitely worth diving into further,

FAQ about Vibration and Hammer method to increase arm and hand bone length

This is a FAQ about the vibration and hammer method that I talked about in this youtube video.

Q: I’m worried about doing vibration because of jackhammer workers and hand-arm vibration syndrome?

A: The key word here is jackhammer. And the people who do jackhammers do them for hours a day. Vibration is a biphasic stimulus with too low duration giving new results and too high stimulus potentially causing nerve damage. The key is to find that happy medium. I do not think the highest setting is needed. Obviously, all vibration is not bad as you are exposed to vibration in moving vehicles for example. Ideally, we would have studies to determine the optimal vibration setting but I do not have the capability to do such studies.

Q: What things should you watch out for when performing vibration?

A: Tingling sensation in fingers, skin damage. If you get tingling sensation than adjust your method and shorten the duration. If you get skin damage then try holding the hammer in a different location to give your skin a break. Try to use “common sense”. Also, you can try some gloves or other skin protection while holding the hammer.

Q: What is the science behind the vibration + hammer holding method?

A: It is based on the anecdotal evidence that exercises such as archery, arm wrestling, and tennis have both been reported to increase bone length and they involve torsion and vibrational loading. Judo and baseball pitch mainly involve torsional loading and also have anecdotal evidence to increase bone length. Susan Pfeiffer’s paper Age Changes in the External Dimensions of Adult Bone have evidence that increase in bone length is possible post epiphyseal fusion. Torsional loading is the most effective way to drive fluid flow in the bone as what’s the best way to wring out a sponge? By twisting it. And vibrational loading further drives fluid flow. This fluid flow stimulates osteocyte activity. The exact mechanism by how this could increase bone length is yet unknown. But osteocytes have the power to drive both osteoblast and osteoclast activity so there could be a bone modeling effect where bone models to grow longer. It’s also possible that there could be a stem cell mechanism, plastic deformation, or articular cartilage endochondral ossification.

Q: How much have you grown from this method?

A: From self measurement I have increased my wingspan from 75 to 75 3/16″. I am only doing the method on my left hand and my left thumb seems much longer than my right thumb. Once I consistently measure 75 1/4″ the plan is to get x-rays. Wingspan is more accurate as you can do certain rotational tricks to make one hand appear longer than the other. Wingspan is reliable but there is variance so I measure multiple times. But any PR in wingspan is likely not measurement error as 1/16″ of an inch may as well be a mile as it is basically impossible to stretch your way to additional length. I need sufficient length as photoshop/gimp measurement is not 100% accurate so need to get above measurement error. I do have before X-rays.

Q: Has anyone else grown from this method?

A: Someone else has tried it and they have reported a growth in wingspan of 1/4″. They are doing it on both hands. I need other people to validate results because of measurement bias from myself.

Q: What’s the exact mechanism of performing the method?

A: I want people to use a variety of different techniques and use common sense. I do not think the exact vibration location and the exact mechanism of holding the hammer matters as the vibration and load is going to go throughout the entire hand. I do think though it’s better to do shorter durations, heavier loads(Hold hammer at end so it’s harder and there’s more torsion), possible hold multiple or heaver hammers, and do it multiple times during the day. Experimentation would be needed but I’m guessing the optimal duration would probably be 30 seconds to a minute multiple times during the day.

Q: I want to lengthen my legs and torso.

A: I have tried applying vibration and holding weights with feet and between knees. The issue is that legs are not as good as gripping things as the hands. Once this method is proven to work then we will have more resources and I can more easily test the other methods and have more support. So it is very important that even if you only want to grow legs you should try this method so I can get proof and then it will be easier to develop additional methods.

Q: I just want to do limb lengthening surgery.

A: The bones are connected to the tendons via the enthesis and any method that stimulates bones will likely stimulate the growth of those soft tissue as well due to the connection. People with limb lengthening surgery do seem to have issues with muscle tightness and bone healing post surgery. Vibration and torsional stimuli likely can help with this healing. So even if you only want to do surgery these techniques can possibly help with rehab. Also, it would be cost prohibitive to increase hand/foot size with limb lengthening surgery. This technique could be a cost efficient way to stimulate those tissues.

Q: Any supplements that can help?

A: I would recommend bone both soup for the hyaluronic acid and glucosamine/chondroitin. Also, a multivitamin. In the future, I can see things that stimulate CNP, HGH, IGF2, and Relaxin possibly helping as well.

Q: How fast can I expect results?

A: Results will vary but I’d say about 1/16″ per month.

Q: What will grow?

A: Fingers, palm, and possible overall arm length and width. It’d be hard to say for sure without more experimentation.

Q: I’m not getting results.

A: Try using a heavier hammer. Doing it more times during the day and increasing duration.

Q: Anyway to contact for further help?

A: Mail me at NaturalHeightGrowth@gmail.com or DM me at heightquest on instagram.

Evidence suggests that judo may be able to increase bone length

{Huge: Got a response from the author:

Not yet, another methodological and statistical approach is needed to confirm that. We will try to explore that in the next few years.

Thanks for your question”


Here was my question: FYI, “In your paper Evaluation of body symmetries in judo, you note a length asymmetry in arms and legs is there any evidence that this could be causal?”

So definitely watch Jožef Šimenko to say if he has any follow up papers.}

Judo joins the other athletic endeavors that suggest that torsional loading can increase bone length.

Evaluation of body symmetries in judo

“The participants were 21.5 ± 3.5 years old, their height 176 ± 3.8 cm, their weight 74.2 ± 6.9 kg and all of them were right hand dominant.”<-unfortunately, the young age does not allow for us to see if growth can continue with age. Sample size was 10 which is small.

“Large, frequently one-sided, training loads which influence the athletes and are very frequent in judo
when training their special technique (tokui waza), may also affect the body posture through different muscle proportions”

I have circled every measurement that is relevant. Most important is SAL(straight arm length) and OLL(Outside Leg length)
For arm length there is about a .42 cm difference between right and left arm and for leg length a 0.08cm different between left and right leg. Not statistically significant but it suggests that judo can lengthen the arms and legs. The girth measurements from the legs vary between which leg is more muscular between the right and the left. The forearm girth is greater for the right than the left and that is statistically significant.

Judos do undergo a lot of torsional loading.


A judo throw involves torsional loading on one leg over the other and over one arm/shoulder. There are many judo throws.
Another judo throw where you can see one arm getting loaded over the other. Also it should be noted that when you are being thrown the arm undergoes torsional loading.

According to Anatomic and functional leg-length inequality: A review and recommendation for clinical decision-making. Part I, anatomic leg-length inequality: prevalence, magnitude, effects and clinical significance, usually the left leg is the longer one so it is possible that the small leg length discrepancy here is due to natural growth.

According to Normal Ranges of Upper Extremity Length, Circumference, and Rate of Growth in the Pediatric Population, right arm length = 0.14 (height) + 0.28 (age) + 0.41 (sex), R2 = 0.90; left arm length = 0.14 (height) + 0.28 (age) + 0.41 (sex), R2 = 0.90. The equations for both the right and left arm are equivalent,. Since the equations are the same it is normal for the arm lengths to be equal thus we can see that the arm length difference in judo may be abnormal.

The evidence here is not great (more and better studies are needed) but it does add further support to the claim that torsional loading can increase bone length. The difference in bone length is relatively minor but judo has irregular loading therefore it is likely that the loading is not sufficient to induce large changes.

Big news: Added 1/8″ inch to wingspan. Phase 1 is complete. Time to move to the next stage.

Here’s the link if there’s issues with the embed: https://youtu.be/Xv_ygWV3dDU?si=c1vrGAMwj4bMUCwb

My initial wingspan was 75 inches. My wingspan measurement is very consistent. I tried torsional loading for like 11 months got no measurable change in wingspan. I even tried manually added some vibration to the exercises no measurable change. I do the exercise above in the youtube video I got 1/16″ in a month. Then I do it for another month about 1/16″ so now my wingspan is about 75 1/8″. Also my thumb has gotten longer based on side to to side comparison with other thumb but there are rotation tricks you can do to fingers appear longer only x-rays are reliable and I have before x-rays but I need to get about 1/4″ to get x-rays because I need sufficient length gain to show up in the x-ray as even with gimp it is hard to detect minor changes.

Essentially, the exercise involves holding the end of a hammer with a pinch grip and then applying vibration to the hand using a machine gun. I do this for at least five minutes a day but often longer up to an hour. The hand does get fatigued doing this though so I have to take breaks. I usually multitask using the free hand.

There is minimal chance that there is measurement error. There is some variance with wingspan measurement but not really when fully stretched. I did torsional loading for 11 months trying to stretch for a result. No gain. I do this exercise for 2 months and the measurement starts creeping up. There is minimal chance that this is measurement error. It’s more likely to be something like soft tissue growth rather than measurement error but soft tissue growth will still be a find. But I still need others to reproduce the result. 1/8″ is small but when measuring something like wingspan or height for that matter once you’ve hit the stretching cap 1/8″ may as well be a mile. Once you’ve perfected stretching your wingspan out the only to increase the measurement is via growth.

The principle behind this exercise is that torsional loading moves fluid within the bone from areas of compression to areas of tension. Vibration makes changes faster so there is more movement than normal. Fluid flow stimulates osteocyte and stem cell activity and this part is not controversial. The controversial part is that it can make the bones longer.

Many anecdotal exercises that increase bone length involve torsion Arm Wrestling, Baseball pitching, Tennis, etc. Tennis also involves vibration as does arm wrestling.

Hiroki Yokota and Ping Zhang favored lateral load over axial loads because logically that is a better way to drive fluid flow within the bone. But torsional loading is superior to lateral loading because what better way to wring water out of a sponge by twisting it.

The exact mechanism by which fluid flow could increase bone length is unknown. But as fluid flow can stimulate osteocytes which can enhance both osteoblast and osteoclast activity which could theoretically remodel the bone to become longer it is possible to see a mechanism. Also the mechanism could involve stem cells as well.

Phase 1 the initial result is the hardest part. Now time to move the next phases:

  1. Get other people to validate the result
  2. Increase my own result so that it can show up on an X-ray
  3. Try to apply the result to other bones.

Here are the keys behind which are needed for the growth to work:

1: The load must be near the bone. If you want to grow the legs for instance squats and deadlifts wouldn’t work because the load is too far from the target bone the legs. The load must be near or on the legs. The reason has to do with direct and indirect loading. If the load is indirect then must of the load is due to muscle pull but if there is a direct loading force than you also get deformations due to the weight itself.

2. The vibration must be near the target bone. The exact location is not important but if the vibration is too far away then the vibrations will dampen before reaching the target bone.

3. The load must be sufficient to put a deforming force on the bone. If it is too light then it won’t drive fluid forces within the bone

Here are some ways to make the exercise more effective:

  1. The load should be asymmetrical. The more the bone is exposed to different regions of tension and compression the more fluid flow is going to flow within the bone
  2. The should be near the epiphysis as the epiphysis is more easily deformable than the diaphysis of the bone.
  3. The loading should be dynamic. The more dynamic the load is the more the regions of tension and compression within the bone will change.

These principles will help in designing exercises for the legs. The torso is challenging because of all the intervertebral discs and the difficulty of applying direct load but it will need to be tackled. It’s also possible to design other exercises for things like the jaw.

But next step is to have other people validate the results. So to validate it I need people to:

Before starting:

  1. Measure wingspan and thumb length and compare hands side by side.
  2. Do the measurement several times to get a feel for potential errors that happen in the measurement.

Then:

  1. Do the exercise in the video for five minutes a day either one hand or both hands
  2. Repeat the measurements done initially weekly.
  3. Report the Result.

Phase 1 is the hardest initial result stage. Now that that is done the result can follow but I need others to validate my result so if you think you an get an accurate measurement and can spare five minutes a day try it out.

Paper shows that diet can affect jaw growth

There is a lot of evidence that shows that bite jumping appliances and other dynamic loading methods can induce growth of the jaw. This growth seems to be due to the lateral pterygoid muscle applying dynamic load on the mandibular condylar cartilage. There, is a possibility of applying these same techniques to other long bones. Other bones however do not have this muscle insertion so directly into the cartilage. We would have to think hard to find a way to apply this technique.

Long-Term Effect of Diet Consistency on Mandibular Growth within Three Generations: A Longitudinal Cephalometric Study in Rats

<-harder foods likely work by forcing the lateral pterygoid muscle to work harder in a more dynamic way thus placing a stronger load on the mandibular condylar cartilage. One thing that would be interesting to try is if this worked on adults.

“Craniofacial growth has been shown to be affected by different factors, including environment. It is thought that environmental changes could possibly affect the growth of the mandible. The question of how diet consistency affects mandibular growth within one generation of rats has been answered to some extent by various studies, according to which diet consistency may result in different masticatory forces that affect mandibular growth. There is no study so far that examined possible quantitative and qualitative growth changes in the mandible within different generations. The present experiment evaluated the impact of different food consistencies on mandibular growth within three generations. The results of this study indicate that a soft diet could be responsible for less mandibular growth, and this information might be passing through generations.”

“A total breeding sample of 60 female and 8 male Wistar rats were used in this study. Measurements took place only on female animals. Twenty female Wistar rats at 30 days old and four male rats at 30 days old comprised the primary breeding sample of the first generation, and from these animals two different generations were reproduced. Lateral cephalometric X-rays were taken from all female rats at the age of 100 days.”

“Means of measurements of all soft diet groups compared to hard diet groups were significantly smaller. According to linear measurements, there was a significant difference only between the first-generation soft diet with the third-generation soft diet group. According to geometric morphometric analysis, the statistical differences appeared on the condylar process and the angle of the mandible”

“muscular loading forces play their own part in bone growth and development. One of the most critical muscular systems is the orofacial, which is necessary for feeding in vertebrates. Mandibular growth is closely associated with the movement of the jaws and loads of the orofacial region. Mastication, as one of the environmental factors, seems to be responsible for a variety of developmental changes in the craniofacial region and more specifically in the mandible”

“The coordinated actions of osteoclasts and osteoblasts result in the resorption and replacement of the existing cortical bone, a process known as intracortical bone remodeling (or simply remodeling). Secondary osteons, which are cylinder-shaped structures, are created as a result of this process. Due to their concentric lamellae and surrounding cement line, secondary osteons are apparent in cross-section. The remodeling process’ resorption phase releases mineral reserves to support mineral homeostasis, but it also leads to the development of microcracks as a result of mechanical deformation. Both significant mechanical deformations (high strain) and repeated cycles of loading have been linked to microcracks. Therefore, areas of the skeleton with more severe loading conditions should have increased rates of remodeling since those areas should sustain more microdamage. When the load situation is unknown, it is less evident if increased remodeling may be attributable to high strain or cyclical loading.” <-they suggest that the loading may cause microcracks and that could cause the change in bone shape but I think the increase in size is due to articular cartilage endochondral ossification.

“high strain may not be necessary for substantial remodeling to occur and that cyclical loading may be more likely to result in elevated remodeling”<-this alludes to fluid flow theory.

“various epigenetic mechanisms are now known that consist of intracellular macromolecular chain reactions and extend from the membrane to the cell nucleus. In this way, information is transferred between the extracellular environment and the nucleus. The osteocyte network detects and responds to mechanical stimuli and thus plays an important role in triggering bone remodeling. In addition, loading applied to the tissues can change the shape of the cells. As a result, deformation of the intracellular content, including the cytoskeleton, is observed, and processes are activated that even change the mechanisms of action of the genome”

“Increased mineralization was found on the trabecular bone in the condyle of the hard diet group than in the soft diet group”

“chewing hard food enhances nearly all physiological masticatory parameters, muscular coordination, and masticatory side modifications as compared to chewing soft food”<-the question becomes whether we can keep chewing harder food to gain more in the mandible.

Every dimension was superior in the harder food group.

“The indications for the posterior mandibular height were Co-Go, Co-Go’ linear measurements. There were statistically significant differences between all soft diet groups when they were compared with the hard diet groups in all linear measurements. There were no statistically significant differences between all hard diet generations due to linear measurements.”

Definitely noticable difference in the G group.

“In 2014, Hichijo et al. found that there was no significant difference between the hard diet and soft diet groups in the mandibular length and the mandibular base length”

“It is important to mention that we used a similar methodology to previous studies, but with some of these studies, our results differ in terms of one-generation outcome. This could be possibly explained because we used a different rat strain than some of the previous studies. Another possible reason could be the limitations of 2D X-rays and the procedure that each study followed to take those.”

So this study provides further evidence that mechanical loading can influence growth of the mandible and we can possibly apply those principles to alter the growth of other long bones.